Madlib (2016)

Since the early ’90s, the reclusive Madlib has been producing music at a relentless pace. Whether he’s working with artists like Freddie Gibbs, MF Doom or Erykah Badu, collaborating with the late J Dilla, or working under one of his own aliases, like the drugged-out party creature Quasimoto, Madlib has carved out his own idiosyncratic corner in the massive hip-hop universe.

Luckily, we were able to coax him out of his studio for a rare discussion at the Red Bull Music Academy Festival New York 2016 about Prince, the importance of doing taxes, the death of his Quasimoto alter-ego, collaborating with Kanye West and his love of industrial music.

Hosted by Jeff “Chairman” Mao Transcript:

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So won’t you please welcome Madlib. Welcome to New York. How often do you get here actually? Does it still have any kind of ... I know you’ve traveled the world. Does New York have a special place for you at all anymore? You’ve seen so many places.

Madlib

I love New York man. I mean all the producers who came from here. I grew up on all that type of shit. Large Professor ... A lot of people.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Do you remember the first time you came here as sort of a young artist even, just sort of paying your dues, coming through here in New York?

Madlib

I did Bobbito’s spot. That was one of the first shows I did ... Eyes closed the whole time ... Rapping with Lootpack and shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

A little case of the nerves?

Madlib

I just rap like that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What do you think of your sort of world travels as far as how that’s influenced you? You have all of these sort of Beat Konductor projects where you take on a different sound from a different part of the globe. What is it when you visit these places or just visit them through your music ... Through the records?

Madlib

It’s mainly through records because a lot of places I haven’t visited. But I get bored with music. You all know that already. I listen to all types of different things and try to find something good in every genre because it’s possible.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

How did you first get hip to sounds from different places?

Madlib

Messing with my man Egon. We use to live in a house together ... Me, Wolf, Egon and Jeff Jank. We used to trade different records and music.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What was sort of the first part of the world that sort of captivated you?

Madlib

Brazil.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I think that the last time you said you did one of these was in 2002 for RBMA?

Madlib

Yeah, I don’t talk in front of people. I don’t talk around my friends, we use sign language and shit. Me and Karriem Riggins.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

We’re simulcasting this on radio so the sign language thing will go over really well.

Madlib

[laughs]

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

In 2002, I remember you guys, you, Egon, Cut Chemist, a bunch of other guys coming down. I guess you did a little bit of record shopping then?

Madlib

Yeah, that changed my life. I bought three boxes of records. First time I went out there actually... Two boxes didn’t make it back to the US.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What happened?

Madlib

They don’t know. Two boxes of rare joints.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Maybe Egon has something to do with that. I don’t know. And you spent a lot of that time in your room actually working on beats and stuff too right?

Madlib

Still do. Nothing’s changed.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You’re originally from California of course. Oxnard.

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I’d like to revisit something not from your past because I know you don’t like to hear your own music. You just told me that.

Madlib

I don’t want to hear that shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

This is related to you. This is sort of ease us into this. Let’s listen to a little piece of this and you tell me what this is and maybe you can describe what it is for everybody.

Otis Jackson – Beggin’ For A Broken Heart


(music: Otis Jackson – Beggin’ For A Broken Heart / applause)

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So what was that?

Madlib

That’s my pops. I remember looking at that record and thinking I wanted to make records and stuff.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

This is from, what the ‘70s?

Madlib

Yeah. 1974.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

This is a song that is kind of a rare soul recording ... Kind of a collectible thing. When did you kinda first become aware that, you know, your dad was doing …

Madlib

My pops had me at the studio since I was born. That’s why I got into music. He always let me go up on the controls and just mess with stuff. Engineers get mad. “Let the brother do it!” Mess with stuff. That’s how I learned.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Was there a studio in the house?

Madlib

We had the tapes ... The old tape machines and things.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Your mother was also down with the music in some capacity? Your mother was also doing music?

Madlib

Yeah she wrote all his music.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, what was her …

Madlib

My mother was a pianist ... A crazy pianist. She wrote all his music and stuff.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What did it mean to you to grow up in a musical household, not just sort of learning stuff, I mean …

Madlib

I didn’t have to think about it. I’m strictly music, so it was just in me. I don’t think about it.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Did you think about it in terms of just what you were doing as opposed to your friends as far as...

Madlib

No, I hung out with musicians too. I only hung out with dudes likeminded. Everybody thought I was crazy where I lived. Now everybody likes me over there.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah. Was it cool to you? It’s kind of one of these things where your parents put out records, were doing cool things. Did you think they were cool when you were a kid?

Madlib

Yes. Yes.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Straight up, you were like “my parents are cool.”

Madlib

They bought all the equipment for me to do what I do, nah mean, early age.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

All right good. I am just sort of wondering, you have kids now. Do your kids think you’re cool?

Madlib

Nah. [pauses] Nah, I’m playing. Yeah, I’m the coolest in the world to my kids. Fo’ sho, fo’ sho.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When did your sort of get in trouble? I remember you telling me this once, you kind of got in trouble once with your pops, right? With equipment.

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What happened?

Madlib

He bought me and Oh No this studio that we work at. And we had a party one night. He was like, “Y’all can do whatever y’all do, but don’t sit at my table. Don’t sit at my chair.” We got weed all on the table, like girls upstairs like that [points to balcony]. Pops walked in. You know, you know what happened. He walked out and talked to me outside. It was all good. He understood because he lived that life, but oh well. I got my ass beat, but it was still cool.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What about when you were trying out his equipment? I feel like you had some experiments with the styluses and had to make up your own. What happened with that?

Madlib

I use to put little pins under the shit so you can just hear it without speakers or whatever. You just hear the music on the record. I still have those records. They’re all fucked up.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You put a pin instead of a record player needle?

Madlib

Yes sir.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, it makes sense.

Madlib

I had to hear the music. That’s the only way I could hear the music.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Let me ask you this. So Oh No is your brother, right?

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What’s your brother’s government name?

Madlib

He don’t like that name. His government name is… Ooooh! Michael Jackson.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What was it like having a brother named Michael Jackson growing up?

Madlib

He was cool. I ain’t worry about no names. We’re kind of the same so we got along.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What was the first thing that drew you to music then that you heard that was really inspiring to you? Was it your dad’s records or was it just stuff you played?

Madlib

As far as hip-hop, “Rapper’s Delight”, I ain’t gon’ front. “Rapper’s Delight” was the first song I heard where I was like “oh take that beat and do something over it.” So I started collecting records after that ... Old records.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

But at the time, I hate to make these generalizations in terms of east coast versus west coast, but I mean were you cognizant that some of the records you were into were coming from New York versus hip-hop from the Bay?

Madlib

Yeah but I don’t think about it. Other people thought about it. When I was playing all that stuff, I just like what I like and that’s that. I mean, they are sampling records that were recording in the west coast or it don’t really matter. I just like good music, that’s all.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What were some of the artists and records that inspired you besides “Rapper’s Delight”, after that?

Madlib

As far as hip-hop?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah.

Madlib

Marley Marl productions, Paul C, rest in peace, DJ Pooh from the west coast, Dr. Dre ... The old Dr. Dre type stuff where he was sampling breaks and shit ... All that type of stuff.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Were you aware of what sampling was at that time? Did you have an idea of what they were doing?

Madlib

Yeah, yeah, I was sampling when I was in junior high, me and DJ Romes. DJ Romes gave me my first sampler ... The little Casio joint.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay.

Madlib

I walked far to just to go borrow that shit, just to borrow it for a day and make a beat tape or whatever.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah. Just to sort of set the stage as far as the era goes, how did you find out about music? How did you ... I mean there was no Internet obviously. There was no MTV Raps yet. How did you find out about stuff?

Madlib

Record shops. I was always in record stores. My pops had a bunch of records too. That’s my first crate ... My pop’s crate was my first crate. And that was in the crate actually [points to record].

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Oh okay. I did a little research here, let me see if I can play a piece.

Madlib

That was one of my first records I had.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay. Let me see if this plays. What would this be?

The JB's – "You Can Have Watergate Just Gimme Some Bucks and I’ll Be Straight


(music: The JBs – You Can Have Watergate Just Gimme Some Bucks and I’ll Be Straight / applause)

You’re a kid. You’re hearing this, this here and the JBs, stuff like this. What’s going through your mind at the time?

Madlib

Just funky. I was into funky shit. Ohio Players, JBs, all that type stuff ... just funky shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

As far as the first crew goes, you mentioned Romes. Was it a feeling that if you were into hip hop at the time it was not the thing that everybody else was into yet or was it, you know.

Madlib

Yeah. From where I’m from, dudes was shooting and gang banging so … I was looking weird with a clock on my shit and a Bobcat hat, all that type of shit. I was following Public Enemy all that type of stuff

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You just mentioned the gang activity. What was going on at Oxnard at the time?

Madlib

Just Mexican and black crime. Black on black and Mexicans shooting each other.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Were your parents concerned about what was happening in the streets?

Madlib

Nah, I ain’t into that shit, I just do music, stay in my room, that’s about it. Trynna live.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I know we’re going a little bit biographical here but I just wanted to get an idea of when you met Wolf. How did you guys get on? How did you decide that …

Madlib

Man, fuck Wolf. That’s all.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay.

Madlib

I’m playing, that’s my homie. [laughs] That’s my homie. He set it up. That’s why I’m doing what I’m doing now. [laughs] We used to live together, we all used to...

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You’ve talked about that time as pretty special.

Madlib

Yeah, yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Thinking back, what are some of things that kinda stand out to you -

Madlib

He just allowed me to do what I wanna do. He paid for ... I’d rent vibraphones and all types of instruments and things and he was like, “Yeah, let’s do it, let’s do it.” Anything I said I wanted to do, he was with it. So I just had that freedom. I didn’t have the money, he had the money. I had...

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You mentioned the instruments but what sort of stuff were you guys accumulating?

Madlib

Ahh man. I was doing jazz stuff, I started out doing hip hop stuff with him and I was like, “I just want to do jazz stuff.” And I just started renting instruments and he was with it. He didn’t understand at first but ...

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

How long did it take for him to see a vision of what was going on?

Madlib

When I said I wanted to do it he was like, “Okay, do it.” I just did it.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When you sit down and you ... because you still obviously do the jazz stuff. Yesterday’s New Quintet, all of these different musicians under whose names these projects come out. What’s the process like? What’s your ... when you sit down, how does it start? What do you usually start with?

Madlib

It used to be I just try to replay the records that I liked. I just listen to the record and then filter the bassline out and then just play over that and then keep adding things and adding things. Then I learned to write music and how I do it different.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

And how long did it take you to build it, one particular track usually?

Madlib

I was good from the start. I’m not a soloist but I can put things together and make something.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

One of the things, especially with jazz, but I guess any instrumental music, is always an interaction between the players but you’re the only player, so how do you …

Madlib

That’s what you think. You can do ... it can go anywhere. People think it has to be one way but you can do it however you do it.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I’m saying, how are you able to ... it’s amazing. How are you able to play off something that you’re not necessarily hearing yet?

Madlib

You know what? I don’t even think about it. I just do it. That’s the problem, I can’t articulate. I don’t think about it, I just do it.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Let’s say for example, you’re gonna sit down and you’re gonna ... this is a day you’re gonna create some music. What’s the typical …

Madlib

Everyday.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So let’s say it’s a typical day, what might it be like if you were going to walk us through it. What would that day be like?

Madlib

My day has no start because I don’t really sleep too much. I may sleep … 2 hours a night and them 2 hours might be at 3 p.m. or ... it’s always different, so I’m just creating music constantly.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Is that in the studio or at home or both?

Madlib

It’s at home and the studio.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

How is it with the kids and working, making music at home?

Madlib

I just put them headphones on and give them the iPad and I do what I do. iPad is the greatest thing as far as kids. Whooo, thank you. Thank you, Steve.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I can’t even make a phone call or send an email when my kids are around.

Madlib

Yeah, they be running round but I just shut off for some reason. Smoke some weed, shut off.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When …

Madlib

They know I do music so they don’t mess with me too much. They cool with it.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Are they curious at all yet?

Madlib

Yeah. They like, “Buy some speakers.” I’m always doing shit in headphones but like, ‘“Just buy some speakers so we can hear what you’re doing.”

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Do they prefer the sample stuff or the live stuff or what’s their ... do they have any differentiation between.

Madlib

I have no idea. Favorite thing they like is Jaylib shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Really?

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Interesting.

Madlib

I know. I’m lucky.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah. Not the Quas stuff yet? Are they down with Quas?

Madlib

Oh yeah. They love Quas.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

The high voices ...

Madlib

Messed up all my dolls. Wrote on ‘em and shit. I was collecting ‘em but …

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

The Quasimoto dolls?

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What do they do with Quasi-

Madlib

I brought ‘em home to just put up to collect. Shit’s got writing all over ‘em. Arm missing. Kids.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Now you’ve talked about Quasimoto as far as your idea of how it came about. Can you just, for the sake of refreshing people’s memory, can you give us a quick …

Madlib

It came about because I don’t like my voice when I rap. They said I sound like [puts on deep voice] Barry White. So I had to do something to make it sound where I like it. I don’t like my regular voice so I just had to zone out in many ways. I don’t advise this but I took some shrooms and just bugged out and just tried to think of something different and that shit came about. But I never intended to put it out, I just did it for me to just listen to. I do a lot of stuff just for me to listen to.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So did Wolf hear it or Egon heard it?

Madlib

Wolf heard it.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What did he say to you?

Madlib

“Let’s make some money. A little bit of money.”

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

That says a lot about these guys too, that they would hear that and think that, “Okay, we’re gonna” …

Madlib

I know. I was like, “With that? Really? Okay.” And best selling record. One of them.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

One of them. I’m just kind of curious because I always wondered, obviously that’s the inception of this idea from your own experience but did you ever listen to Prince’s stuff and listen to how he did stuff with the voices? Did that have any play in it?

Madlib

It’s plenty of artists before all of us that did that in like the ‘50s, ‘60s. ‘50s and ‘60s and ‘70s. Lot of artists. A lot. I didn’t start nuttin’. Prince didn’t start nuttin’. It was already happening.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Just while we’re on the topic real quick ...

Madlib

Rest in Peace.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah. Rest in Peace, obviously. Have you been going through your Prince music just since the last week and a half, just going back at all?

Madlib

Yeah, for sure. Tried to make a little tribute beat tape that I just made for myself. Crazy stuff. I love Prince.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Which albums or which tracks had been your favorites? I’m just wondering.

Madlib

The early stuff. ‘89 and before. That’s just me though.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Well, a lot of us.

Madlib

“Ballad of Dorothy Parker”. “Lady Cab Driver”. Controversy album. All that type stuff. “Let’s Work”.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Absolutely. When you made your beat tape, did you sample Prince’s stuff or ...

Madlib

Yeah, it’s all Prince shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay. You can slide that to me later if you want.

Madlib

[laughs] Yeah. You can have it. [laughs]

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Do you think of yourself as one of these guys who’s keeping sample-based music alive? People like to peg you that way.

Madlib

I started out doing that and that’s just what I’m doing. Regardless of who’s suing me or who ... whatever. That’s what I grew up on, that’s what Imma do. I also make music too so it doesn’t really matter.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What do you think the appeal is of sampling? I love it as a listener -

Madlib

For me I just like that certain vibe from the ‘60s, ‘70s, and the ‘80s. That’s all it is. I like a certain sound and that’s what I deal with, that’s what I grew up on so … Everybody don’t have to like it but that’s just what I do.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

It’s like you said, it’s suggested. I’m sure it’s caused you some headaches too.

Madlib

Yeah but it’s hard to sample and it’s hard to make music so it doesn’t really matter. As long as you try to do both, it really don’t matter. They try to act like sampling is not music but it’s hard to do correctly.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Let’s play a little something real quick. Let me see, how do we wanna do this? Should we play this one or should we play the track? Give me some feedback.

Madlib

I don’t wanna hear either. [laughs]

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So I’m going to do this against your wishes. Let’s hear a little something just to give us a frame of reference for some of the stuff that you’ve worked on.

Junie Morrison – Suzie Thudertussy


(music: Kanye West ft. Kendrick Lamar – No More Parties In L.A. / applause)
(music: Junie Morrison – Suzie Thudertussy / applause)

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

All right, so you were making some motions while we were listening to that. Just what was going through your mind hearing this again, just in terms of what you did with this?

Madlib

I just wanted to leave it the same. Dudes get mad. [puts on voice] “Dude’s just looped that shit up.” That’s my sound. I’m a loop digger, so I just want to leave it like that, just make it dirtier than what it was. People don’t really ... Some people don’t really understand that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, but I think you’re being a little bit modest here too, because that’s not just looping. I mean...

Madlib

I chopped it, but I’m saying …

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah.

Madlib

I’m the Loopdigga, so whatchu expect, man?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah.

Madlib

Go listen to that if you want to hear that man.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What I love about what you do is there are these little chops, like you just mentioned, sort of intermingling with the rest of the loop. Plenty of people do this and do it well but … is there an internal rhythm that’s in your head, as far as where you decide to place things? I know you don’t -

Madlib

It’s natural. If you sit there and think about it too much, your shit probably whack. You just have to be natural and … the roots of the shit, you just do it and that’s that. You sit there and polish your shit for a week, I don’t know about all that shit. That’s cool for you all, but I don’t know about all that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Do you feel like ... This is Junie Morrison, by the way, which is …

Madlib

Respect to Junie Morrison.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, he was one of the …

Madlib

Parliament-Funkadelic.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Ohio Players.

Madlib

Yes, Dam-Funk.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah. You hear this track, to me, and you’re able to hear something ... What I like about the No More Parties track, obviously, you’re taking a loop, but then there’s also, when he sings ‘Lost in Los Angeles’, basically the story of the song is somebody who meets a groupie, figures out that that person actually meant something to him later. There is this emotion behind it. Do you think at all, even about the emotion of the songs that you sample, what’s in them? How much do you listen to them?

Madlib

It’s all emotion. I don’t really think too much. It’s just emotion … I don’t think about it. That’s the problem. I’m just ... I’m my dad’s son so I just ... It’s music.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Ok. So you’ve said in the past that …

Madlib

I actually did ... every time I sample a record, I do the whole record. I sample off the whole record.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, different pieces you mean?

Madlib

No, I mean I make beats off the whole record.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, what do you mean?

Madlib

They just pick that beat.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Oh, you mean ... Well, explain it to me. What do you mean? Do you mean you …

Madlib

When I sample a record, I usually make beats out the whole record while it’s right there.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

The whole album?

Madlib

Yeah. Every best piece of the record and just move on after that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So there might be more tracks than …

Madlib

Oh I got ... Yeah, I got like ten …

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Just off …

Madlib

Yeah. That don’t mean it’s going to come out. It just means I did that. I do that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

As a form of practice or as just something to...

Madlib

Just shit I want to hear.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah. Now, when you sit in a session you said that this is kind of a meditative thing for you. Is it meditation for you?

Madlib

Yeah. I shut off from the world. It’s just something you can’t try to do. It’s just something that happens. That’s my life. It’s a blessing and a curse because my time is spent doing that, but I also have a family and things.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Well, thank god for the iPad then.

Madlib

[laughs] Actually, that beat was made off a iPad.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay. Really?

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I remember seeing, and maybe other people saw this on social media, there was a picture of Kanye with the beat CDs and it was like, “Thanks for the beat CDs.”

Madlib

He didn’t like them beats. [laughs] I’m just kidding Kanye... Sent him a bunch of crazy Quasimoto shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah.

Madlib

I heard they was battling back and forth for a couple of hours over the beat CDs.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Ok. So you remember what’s on that beat CD?

Madlib

Oh, yeah. Six CDs.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Six CDs.

Madlib

Yeah, Gibbs took all of them. He rapped over everything. Kanye waited too long. Gibbs rapped over everything.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Basically, those beats CDs is what became Piñata, is what you’re saying?

Madlib

No, the new one.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

The new one?

Madlib

The new Bandana joint. Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Oh, okay. So Freddie Gibbs, what is it about Gibbs that is …

Madlib

He’s a good rapper. He’s a good rapper. He’s like my cousin, we just get along. He might shoot you, might hug you. I don’t know.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When is the next record that you guys are working on? How close are you guys to it?

Madlib

Ain’t no telling. I did that with DOOM. There ain’t no telling. We have no idea. I’m not going to lie. We got tracks recorded, but that don’t mean they’re gon’ come out.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You’re cool with that?

Madlib

I got 20 tracks with DOOM. That don’t mean they’re gon’ come out. You know what I mean?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, but you’re cool with that, though? It seems like you have this Zen quality about you where it seems like it’s just whatever comes, comes and when it happens, it happens.

Madlib

My bad. Yep.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Now Madlib Invazion, since when? How long has Madlib Invazion been happening?

Madlib

Since I started making beats. As far as Madlib Invazion, but the record label it started five years ago or something like that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, around five, six years ago.

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What was important to you, as far as establishing that label, your own independent imprint?

Madlib

Just putting out stuff I want to hear and it has nothing to do with anybody else. Basically.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When you go through history of independent labels, I know you have great reverence for labels like Strata East, Tribe Records …

Madlib

Yeah. They didn’t do too well.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

They were artist-controlled endeavors.

Madlib

That’s what I’m all about.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah.

Madlib

I’d rather have that than like… big paycheck. I get checks anyways, but I’d rather have that control.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Do you have ... When you and Egon are sitting down and figuring out where it’s going to go in terms of what the, for lack of a better word, a mission statement or something like that, is there any ... Do you think of it in terms of lineage, in terms of this history?

Madlib

Not really. I just do the music and some of it comes out. Stuff that I think should come out.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Tell us what is coming out on that imprint that you’re working on now?

Madlib

Let’s see ... I got that new Bandana album coming out with Gibbs. I got a producer series with different producers from around the world, like Oh No, Pete Rock, Gaslamp Killer, RJ from Slum Village, Evidence from Dilated Peoples … bunch of people. Young dudes that y’all don’t know about.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Let me play you something real quick from this group. I understand you’re a fan of this group and you may have collaborated with them a little.

Madlib

Who is it?

Embryo - Far East


(music: Embryo – Far East / applause)

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What is that? That we just listened to?

Madlib

That’s my homies.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Who is that?

Madlib

From Germany. Embryo. ‘60s, ‘70s, rock, jazz band, psychedelic rock jazz, soul, everything.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What is about Embryo that caught you …

Madlib

They like all types of music and they put it all in one thing.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You spent some time with as well, working with them.

Madlib

Yeah, I got 10 hours of music recorded with them. I’m just on the drums. We all switched from instruments and we just bug out.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Where was this? When did this happen?

Madlib

Germany.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

In Germany. That’s just where the band is from, right?

Madlib

Five years ago. Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When you’re into that type of scenario, I don’t know, I’m not a musician, I’m not a producer …

Madlib

Oh, it was like looking, dudes is my idols. I dig for records and I mean these dudes are my idols and I’m in there playing with them and they’re just showing me what they went through and all that type of stuff. Drinking mad wine with them, smoking trees and … you know.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So Embryo, one of your musical heroes. Let’s go through a couple different things and just, you just get your own -

Madlib

They got mad styles, though. That’s just one style.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

That album is interesting because I guess it’s ... I’m not that familiar with the group, to be honest. It’s kind of a far eastern style that they’re exploring. It’s a German band.

Madlib

They went to India and just sat with all the musicians and …

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

They’re also singing in English on that track too, so it’s just an amalgamation of a lot of different styles. Let’s listen to this and just give me what your impressions are. We’re just going to go through a couple different tunes and sit here and listen.

CESAR MARIANO & CIA. - METROPOLE


(music: Cesar Camargo Mariano – Metropole / applause)

Madlib

That sounds like “Chameleon”, Herbie Hancock.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

It does a little bit. Yeah.

Madlib

He’s trying to bite some shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

That was Cesar Mariano, right?

Madlib

Married to?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You tell me.

Madlib

Elis Regina.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

For real?

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Oh, okay. He’s a Brazilian artist and a Brazilian record.

Madlib

Oh, yeah. Produced a lot of Brazilian artists, arranged the records and played on them too.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When you hear this, what goes through your mind, besides it’s funky?

Madlib

It just feels good. Me and Dilla used to bump that whole record. That’s just one little piece. You’ve got to hear the whole album. It’s good shit. Just listen to our loop …

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

How often, when you guys hung out, was it just listening to records like this and stuff?

Madlib

We’d either be digging or listening to each other’s beats or record shopping or listening to each other’s beats or record shopping or listening to each other’s beats and that’s about it. Smoke, go to the club, go to the strip club, whatever.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I know people ask you about this all the time, but what do you think that ... What is your impression of Dilla as a person that maybe people don’t necessarily talk about enough?

Madlib

He’s a fellow alien. He’s a fellow alien. It’s hard to explain dude. Fellow alien. Musical cousin.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What’s the thing that.

Madlib

He was a king though. What I’m saying is we was still musical cousins.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What’s a thing that you think you took from being a friend of his? Just being a colleague of his?

Madlib

He’s a cool dude man, he’s a nice dude and we like the same type of music, which was probably all types of music. I give him a crate, he give me a crate and like … I gave him the loop for “Lightworks” and he gave me the loop for that … whatever man.

JEFF “CHAIRMAN” MAO

Let’s keep going and listen to a couple more things. This is something I would imagine is dear to your heart.

Sun Ra – Mu


(music: Sun Ra – Mu / applause)

Madlib

Sun Riza! Cosmic music.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Who was that?

Madlib

Sun Riza. Sun Ra, the king.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When we were listening to that you said a couple of things. What was your observation, what hit you?

Madlib

What I say?

Speaker RBMA:

You said, John Gilmore.

Madlib

Oh, John Gilmore on the horn, king. John Coltrane used to study with him because he thought he was better than him. Nuff said.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

And the clavinet.

Madlib

That song is like from what, 1960 ... It’s the first use of the clavinet that I know. The clavinet electric keyboard. He was one of the first to use electric keyboards.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When you sit back and you listen to Sun Ra, I know you’re a huge Sun Ra head … was your dad playing Sun Rah back in the house, back in the day? When did you start getting into Sun Ra?

Madlib

Just buying records. I just buy weird covers, look at the cover and if it’s weird Imma buy it. Look at the instruments, basically.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Did you know stuff about the back story of him at that point.

Madlib

I didn’t know about Sun Ra until I saw a documentary on him in like ‘99 ... ‘98, something like that. And from there, I’m right there with him.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

In Space Is The Place, you saw the film and everything that was like a big … was that a big moment for you?

Madlib

Yeah, because he was so huge musically. It’s like … every style. Every… not too many people did that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You mean just in terms of just the jazz stuff, the out stuff, the more groove orientated …

Madlib

And the way he lived. Outer space ways, you know.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Are you going to get a house with aluminum foil out front at some point?

Madlib

Imma just get fat like him, just kick it.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

That means you’re living well then. Let me play one more thing and ...

Madlib

Yeah, go buy some Sun Ra records.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

All right, I’m not sure if it’s this one or this one ...


(music: ROB – Just One More Time / applause)

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Do you remember what this is? Who is this?

Madlib

It’s R-O-B, ROB, Funky Rob Way.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

This is what from …

Madlib

From Africa, I think that’s ... who’s that?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Is it Nigerian or no?

Madlib

That’s ... What’s the dude who used to sing with Michael Jackson? Man, he’s the dad of a famous singer, what the fuck is his name?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

On this? He’s on this record?

Madlib

Akon, that’s Akon’s dad.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Akon’s dad is on this record?

Madlib

That’s Akon’s dad.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

For real?

Madlib

ROB, yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Wow.

Madlib

ROB is Akon’s dad.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

For real.

Madlib

How come he didn’t do that type of shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Wow, okay so were you hip …

Madlib

I’m just playing.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Were you just an Akon fan and you... [laughs]

Madlib

Nah, Egon told me, from Now Again Records.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I mean, Egon’s obviously had a big ... You guys are friends going way back since the Stones Throw days. He’s obviously worked with you closely over all these years, I mean ...

Madlib

Man, fuck Egon. I’m just kidding, yeah that’s my brother right there.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

He hipped, he got you …

Madlib

That’s my brother, he looked out for me and …

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

He got you turned on to the wine game now and everything.

Madlib

Yeah, I ain’t drinking Ripple, I’m drinking that good … Champipple.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What’s the Champipple?

Madlib

Fred Sanford, champagne and Ripple mix, Champipple. Y’all don’t know about that?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What’s deeper, the wine game or the record game?

Madlib

That’s the same. It’s equal.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

How so?

Madlib

It’s equal because it’s all deep. It’s always rare shit, all the time.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Do you feel like your wine game is on par with your record game?

Madlib

I’m still a minor. I’m not that great at it yet but I’m learning. I let him pick it out for me and I get the boxes sent to the crib.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, okay. You have … reputedly you have like four rooms of records right? Like four different rooms of records.

Madlib

Yeah.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Are you going to have to buy a new house?

Madlib

I need like 10 rooms, that ain’t enough.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Are you going to have a wine wing then too, like for the wine?

Madlib

Yeah, if I make some money.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, we’ll work on it.

I was pulling something else and you grabbed this record.

Madlib

Yeah, it’s one of my favorite labels in the world, I just got hip to it like six years ago.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, now ...

Madlib

The best jazz label in the world.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Which label is this?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

From Italy. Horo records. They recorded all the American artists that America just was like, “Fuck y’all.” He took … “Come on, make some money, do what you want to do.”

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What is this record? Do you remember?

Madlib

This is Stafford James, he played with Woody Shaw, he’s a bassist, and a bunch of people.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, so let’s take a quick listen to this …

Madlib

Dope ass beat right here.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Tell me what your impressions are when you hear it.

Stafford James - Costa Bruciata


(music: Stafford James – Costa Bruciata / applause)

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Why do you like the piano out of tune?

Madlib

Because I don’t like shit too perfect, I like a little ... I like some human mistake in my shit. If it’s too perfect I ain’t really with it, if it’s too clean I ain’t really with it, if it’s too polished I don’t really like it. That’s just me, that’s my ears.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Did anybody ever give you that feedback early in your career? In terms of the music you were making and how did that …

Madlib

People complaining all the time, I just do what I want to do regardless because it’s for my health so I don’t really care about what people say. I thank the people that like it but I don’t care about your criticism because I know what I’m doing, you don’t know what I’m doing so I don’t really care. Speaker: Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah. Are you, not to get too technical, are you burning stuff onto cassette ... I remember in 2002 when you sat and you talked to us about this stuff. Everything was going to like a cassette and being mastered off of that. Have you embraced some technological change since then?

Madlib

My music sounds like that anyway, nah. I just do what I do. Let me be, let me do what I do and you can do your thing. That’s all. Imma be me. I’m going to be the last dude doing what I do.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, absolutely. I have a couple of questions that have been submitted through the …

Madlib

Aw shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

… magic of this thing called the internet.

Madlib

Okay, what’s that?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

It’s this thing that, you know, you don’t have to worry about, thankfully.

Madlib

I don’t really fuck with it, I don’t really mess with it. I don’t have Twitter fingers, I don’t really do all that shit. Fighting online like you’re tough, I don’t do all that type shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Twitter fingers, I like that.

Madlib

I don’t do that shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Well, some people do have Twitter fingers and they have a couple of questions they want to ask you so I’m just going to read a couple before we take some questions from people in this room.

Madlib

Alrighty.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

@killian, I hope I’m pronouncing that correctly. Who’s your favorite Indian musician?

Madlib

R. D. Burman. R. D Burman.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

R. D. Burnman and for those of us who are not familiar with that person, what is it about …

Madlib

He gets funky and he stays traditional too. I like people that switch it up. You get bored if you don’t switch it up.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Instrumentalist or …

Madlib

Yeah, he’s an instrumentalist, he’s an arranger, all that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, okay. And how’d you get hip to him?

Madlib

Probably Egon, actually.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, yeah. How did you get your records from India then, usually? Did you see individual sellers?

Madlib

They got records in L. A. I went to Germany and went to this spot called Demonfuzz and they had like four boxes, I bought them all. I haven’t been to India yet. They probably ain’t even got the records out there.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, perhaps not. Are you planning to go to India at some point?

Madlib

Nah, not.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Just cool with the records?

Madlib

I mean, I would love to, I love the food, and the people.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, next question is from @goddamnchan, peace to goddamnchan. What’s some advice you were given along the way that has stuck out and really helped you?

Madlib

Do your taxes. Straight up.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Who had that piece of advice for you?

Madlib

Who was that? I think it was Broadway from L.A. Broadway used to produce for Loud Records and stuff.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay. That’s an excellent piece of advice right there.

Madlib

People still don’t do it.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, yeah. Why do you think that is?

Madlib

I think they just ... do your taxes, man. It’s hassle, you know what I mean?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Next question, from @djbobsacamento, I don’t know if this is supposed to be Sacramento or sacamento but what is your favorite J Dilla memory?

Madlib

Just first meeting him and the acknowledgment he gave me. I was trying to tell him what he was but he was just … telling me “I love your music!” I was like ‘Nah, nah!’ We just kept pointing at each other. From there we just cool.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Was that upon first meeting?

Madlib

Yeah, it was in L.A.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Next question is from JVRefill. Do you have any more Quasimoto projects in the works?

Madlib

No, no. I don’t really like to rap no more, man. I ain’t got nothing to say. I done said what I said.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

That’s not you though, that’s Quas.

Madlib

We ain’t got nothing to say. I don’t even fuck with Quas no more. Fuck that n*a man.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

When’s the last time you saw Quas?

Madlib

I don’t fuck with Quas, man. He took my last girl, so I ain’t ...

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

What is Quas able to say that Madlib cannot? What can Quas get away with that Madlib cannot?

Madlib

I think he parties more than me. Messing with hoes and shit. Not women, just hoes. Hitting n**s with bricks. You know, same old.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So Quas is retired as of this moment right now?

Madlib

Probably.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah, okay. How does Quas feel about that?

Madlib

I have no idea, I don’t talk to the n*a.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

@Celestaphone asks... you’ve mentioned an upcoming...

Madlib

Who?

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

@Celestaphone, you’ve mentioned an upcoming Beat Konducta album with industrial samples.

Madlib

Industrial samples.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

How did you know that I was going to ask that question? Did you read this? Any news on that?

Madlib

It’s coming. It’s coming.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I don’t know if Celestaphone is going to be happy with that vague of an answer.

Madlib

It’s coming. I don’t really know about dates when records come out. Maybe a year, maybe a month, I don’t know.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

By industrial, what does that mean? Industrial?

Madlib

Like Throbbing Gristle and... that’s nuff said.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

How long have you been into that sound?

Madlib

Since I been sampling.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah.

Madlib

It’s in my beats, certain beats.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

It’s funky, for sure.

Madlib

Yeah. It’s like hip-hop. If it’s funky, I’m going to use it. I don’t care. I found some good country shit too.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Oh word? Country?

Madlib

Charley Pride breaks.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

For real, Charley Pride breaks?

Madlib

[laughs]

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You just started a mad Discogs...

Madlib

I’m sure there’s something in everything, yeah. [laughs]

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Shout out to everybody on Discogs right now looking for Charley Pride breaks. I think we’re going to try to maybe take some questions from some of the folks in the room. If you happen to have a question.

Audience member

One of the reasons I flew in from Russia was to be in this room here tonight, so my question kind of stems from there, can we ever expect a Russian beat production tape?

Madlib

Oh yeah, yeah.

Audience member

Because we’ve got records.

Madlib

I went out there last year and bought everything. So it’s coming but I don’t have dates on things. It’s already done, but I don’t know when it’s coming out.

Audience member

Thanks.

Madlib

Thank you.

Audience member

Check, check. I’m faded right now.

Madlib

Gimme some!

Audience member

I’ve got a water bottle right here?

Madlib

Gimme some!

Audience member

Number one spot to eat in Oxnard?

Madlib

I ain’t been to Oxnard since ... actually Taco De Mexico.

Audience member

Is that in Oxnard?

Madlib

It’s in Oxnard, yeah. Taco de Mexico on Saviers Road. You get killed fucking around.

Audience member

One more question: what do you think about the new school beat scene that’s coming out right now?

Madlib

I love it. I love the young dudes. I love it all. I don’t love it all but I love some of it.

Audience member

Any particular artists that you can name?

Madlib

Actually, nah, not really. I have some dudes under my wing but I still ain’t got no names. Barely remember my name. But it’ll be in the series. All the young dudes coming out on my shit.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

But you are releasing records by some of these younger performers?

Madlib

Yes sir.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

But they don’t have names yet?

Madlib

They will.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Okay, good.

Madlib

In time.

Audience member

What’s up? What’s going on?

Madlib

What’s up bro? What’s up homie?

Audience member

I was just curious to know, I don’t know if a lot of people know this but you work out of a, if I’m not mistaken, it’s a Free Mason castle?

Madlib

Yeah, I think so.

Audience member

I just wanted to know what was the reason why you decided to purchase …

Madlib

Cheap rent.

Audience member

What?

Madlib

Cheap rent. I don’t own the shit, I’m just renting the shit.

Audience member

You still work out of that studio?

Madlib

Yes sir. I’ve done most, half my shit in there.

Audience member

Thank you.

Madlib

Come on through. You could see me over there. Everybody see me. In the hood.

Audience member

Hey man.

Madlib

Hello sir.

Audience member

If you could produce an album, or make a beat CD, if you could make a beat CD, like you did one with Prince, what other legendary artists would you want to do any type of album with? Like maybe a Stevie Wonder/ Madlib album? Something like that.

Madlib

I usually do that when I make beats. I just pull out the whole section of the artist and just make a whole ... Just try to sample everything I like from the artist. I’ve done that with like Rick James, Steve Kuhn, whoever. Whenever I pull out a record I usually sample the whole record. But that don’t mean it’s going to be out there like that. You know.

Audience member

Thank you.

Madlib

Thank you sir.

Audience member

Hello.

Madlib

Hello.

Audience member

What’s your next album Bandana gonna talk about?

Madlib

One more time? Sorry.

Audience member

Bandana, the next album.

Madlib

Bandana.

Audience member

What’s it about to you?

Madlib

It’s about, pimping, drug dealing, killing, realizing you shouldn’t be killing, you know that type of stuff.

Audience member

Do you participate in the lyrics? Do you comment?

Madlib

Oh I wrote all that shit. I wrote all the lyrics. No I’m playing, nah. I let him do what he do and I do what I do. If I’m messing with a artist, I’m not going to tell him what to do otherwise I’m not going to work with him. You have to know what you’re doing and trust me to know what I’m doing too.

Audience member

Do you have some criteria when you work with people?

Madlib

Nah I usually work with like-minded people. If we don’t like a song we just don’t put it out. I mean we can always get an album out of something. I don’t really critique. If I have to critique you I’m not going to work with you.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

That’s how the Jaylib album was done more or less, and the Gibbs album. Was you guys basically, remotely, sending stuff to one another, right?

Madlib

That’s how it’s always been done actually because I’m always constantly working. I don’t have time to sit there and coach you in the studio. And you just do what you doing, and let’s see what’s going on.

Audience member

What is, or was, your favorite record store in LA?

Madlib

Favorite record store in LA? Probably ... I don’t really buy records in LA, ain’t nothing out there no more, actually.

Audience member

What about Aron’s?

Madlib

Aron’s is closed.

Audience member

I know.

Madlib

That was my favorite store back in the day yessir. Right now I like Rockaway Records because they get a lot of rare stuff.

Audience member

What was it about Aron’s that you …

Madlib

I was cool with all the employees and I get discounts.

Audience member

Thank you.

Madlib

And they had good records too. Thank you.

Audience member

Hey. So out of everything you’ve released through the years, what’s your favorite project?

Madlib

Nada, nunca.

Audience member

What’s that?

Madlib

Nothing.

Audience member

You don’t have a favorite?

Madlib

No.

Audience member

Why’s that?

Madlib

I don’t know. I just don’t have a favorite. I like different things so I can’t be like “yo this is my favorite,” it’s always different.

Audience member

Fair enough

Madlib

I don’t have a favorite. What’s your favorite?

Audience member

Hey.

Madlib

Hello.

Audience member

How was hanging out with Four Tet and Floating Points?

Madlib

Four Tet? Oh that’s the homies. I love him. We like the same type of music. Even though we do different things.

Audience member

Have you guys spoken about doing anything?

Madlib

Yes.

Audience member

When’s that going to happen?

Madlib

Um, if I’m alive tomorrow? I don’t plan ahead like that. We’ll see. Thank you.

Audience member

You mentioned you usually sample whole albums from artists you like. What do you do with the unused samples? Do you ever revisit them?

Madlib

No, I just move on. I just keep moving on. I don’t know, I just keep moving on. I don’t want to release everything.

Audience member

Do you keep them or do you delete them?

Madlib

Oh if I record something down, then I keep it. I’m not going to record it if I got to delete.

Audience member

Hi.

Madlib

Hi.

Audience member

I’m from the Bay Area, California.

Madlib

Yeah, that’s where my grand mama from. Oakland, east Oakland.

Audience member

How do you define yourself as successful? What makes you successful?

Madlib

Successful? Still struggling, I don’t know. But just taking care of my family basically. And keeping a roof over my head and doing everything I want to do in life and not have to second think anything.

Audience Member

Hi.

Madlib

Hello.

Audience member

I was wondering if you could talk about your collaboration with MF Doom and what that process was like?

Madlib

The process wasn’t really a big deal. We just hung out, went to clubs, got drunk, I’ll hand him a beats CD, I go to sleep, he’ll work on some music, he’ll go to sleep, I’ll wake up, I’ll make some more beats, listen to what he did, we might take some shrooms together if we awake at the same time, and then listen to the music when it’s done.

Audience member

Can you see anything else coming out of you guys anytime soon?

Madlib

I don’t think so. Because people are expecting too much and they’re complaining about certain things that this DOOM record isn’t going to have any way, mastering and mixing. We like our stuff dirty. I think people are on a different level now. That was good for then, but now times are different. I like to listen to the album though, I love it. I love the new album.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I mean do you really think so? That people would have a different expectation?

Madlib

Yeah, yeah people have too many expectations, thinking it should be this or that. But it’s just a continuation.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Yeah.

Madlib

Really a step above or a step lower, it’s just more songs. It’s not like ...

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

You explained the process but conceptually did you guys have like “oh we’re going to have this type of idea?”

Madlib

No. No. It’s all freestyle. You don’t sit there and plan. It’s just freestyle and it just happens. It’s the best way for us.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

And that’s more or less the same way with a lot of these collaborative projects for you right?

Madlib

Yeah. Luckily.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Who’s next?

Audience member

Hi.

Madlib

Hi.

Audience member

I just wanted to thank you. You did a super amazing set last year at the Dilla Weekend in Miami.

Madlib

Thank you.

Audience member

You’re welcome! And I wanted to know if you would sign my record for me?

Madlib

No. Yeah, yeah, all good, all good.

JEFF “CHAIRMAN” MAO

Who’s next? Does anybody else have a question for Madlib while he’s signing this record?

Madlib

That’s it? I’m out!

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

One or two more.

Audience member

I’m pretty sure every body else would like to know this but what’s the most annoying thing that DOOM would say working with you?

Madlib

Umm… the most annoying thing?

Audience member

Or vice versa?

Madlib

[pauses] Maybe my blunts were rolled kind of crazy? For him? I ain’t tripping on him. He’s like Bird to me, like Bird the jazz musician. So I’m cool with everything he does. Understand a little, we cool, ain’t nothing like that. Or maybe he might eat my last frozen dinner or some shit.

Audience member

Have you ever thought about DJing techno, because you were on a bill last week with three guys who do more techno and house and way back jazz influences. You played with Daphni, Floating Points, and Four Tet right?

Madlib

Yes.

Audience member

You know their approach to live sets and stuff… the kind of music they play. Have you got anything more over that side? I don’t think I’ve heard anything from you like that.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

So, what is his approach to doing a live set more or less?

Audience member

Yeah.

Madlib

Just freestyling, and playing weird shit and make people feel weird. They want to hear Quasimoto but I might play some crazy ass psychedelic rock shit just to fuck em up. I might not mix even though I can mix very well but I just might not mix, fuck it. I make it like a record, interludes and shit.

Audience member

Cheers.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I think part of the question also was, is that also a thing where you’re dealing with expectations?

Madlib

Yeah but I don’t go by that. Because if you know me, you know that I like everything so you might hear whatever. If you don’t realize that, that’s your problem.

Audience member

Do you have a goal to achieve in music?

Madlib

A goal to achieve in music? Be a better musician, live wise, playing instruments and things. I’m learning to write music and things so I just want to do that better.

Audience member

Do you have anymore instruments that you want to be able to learn?

Madlib

Yeah, I’m gonna do a whole album with just harmonica and whistling. Egon on the whistle, me on the harmonica. Electric wah wah harmonica. Nah, I don’t know. Whatever.

Audience member

What gives you the stregnth to go on everyday making music? What gives you the strength to do music all the time?

Madlib

I don’t think about it. It just happens. It’s how my parents were and that’s how I am. I got it from my parents.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Well we look forward to the harmonica and whistling LP, forthcoming …

Madlib

The night whistler.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

I’m sorry what?

Madlib

The Night Whistler.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

The Night Whistler LP, Look forward on Madlib Invazion recordings soon. Any closing thoughts that you have for the kind folks who stopped through here today?

Madlib

Thank you for coming out. And thank you for supporting my music, whether you just listen to it or whether you buy it. If you ain’t got no money just download it. Thank you for listening and thank you.

Jeff “Chairman” Mao

Well we thank you for being here and thank you for making the music. So one more time can you please give it up for Madlib?

[applause]

Madlib

Thank you guys, thank you, thank you.

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